Wednesday, March 26th, 2008 comments 27 comments

The Great Diaper Debate

wrybaby.com Two recent articles in Salon and Slate have brought up the great diaper debate, and have shed some more light on why cloth is probably the best bet from an environmental perspective. That doesn’t mean that it’s easy, and our family has done both - Atari was totally cloth, and Rudy is currently doing disposable, but my reading has reminded me that I probably want to look into a diaper service again. (we can’t wash at home because of plumbing issues our landlord doesn’t seem to be in a hurry to address). As with all things parenting, you do what works. Either way of course is a shitty situation.

People assume you’re debating two environmental issues: water usage and landfills. It’s not that simple. And what about gDiapers?

What we know about cloth: lots of water usage, both from growing cotton and heavy washing. Washing at home is time-consuming and a huge pain in the ass.

Disposables: you go through thousands of them, creating a huge amount of solid waste that fills up landfills. They contain trace amounts of pollutants Dioxin and Tributyl-tin. Seventh Generation doesn’t bleach, ergo fewer toxins, but they still have petroleum-based plastic linings.

Oh yeah, petroleum! It’s in our plastic, and comes from oil, which comes from countries that hate us (like Canada).

gDiapers are theoretically biodegradable, but as with all things, need exposure to sunlight to break down. Not a whole lot of sunlight in the landfill. gDiapers claim that solid waste removed in the wastewater treatment system can be eventually turned into fertilizer (yuck, I know), but usually they end up in landfills.

The literature out there is all over the map. Salon cites a study that claims that disposables use “3x the energy and 2x the water”, and with non-renewable energy use, it all of a sudden becomes a global warming issue. A non-profit group, Real Diaper Association has a good fact sheet with a solid bibliography. One of the heads of the RDA owns a few cloth diaper manufacturing concerns, so as always with issue, a grain of salt.

Simplicity isn’t always simple. gDiapers are still relatively new, so nobody’s done a cradle-to-grave Life Cycle Assessment - since they only use a little bit of paper (a sort-of renewable resource), they might do better than cotton. But with cotton you get the benefit of hyper-absorbent rags that will outlast your kids diapering days. Useful for cleaning up all that blood soda in the basement.

I guess I have to mention composting. Then laugh.

I’ve had a long and spirited debate with a friend who is a prof of Conservation Biology at Brown, and is very serious about greening-up his life. His conclusion was that if you live in a place with a lot of rain, go cloth because you aren’t using too much water. If you’re in an arid environment or experiencing drought, go disposable.

But my feeling was that you’re just outsourcing your water waste - it takes a lot of water to manufacture diapers industrially, and that water has to come from somewhere. Of course, one of the many little voices in my head said, “if the cotton was grown in Egypt, for example you’re totally screwing somebody else over.” I’m still conflicted about this but my gut is that given everything else, since the earth is a closed system, you’re helping the planet out more by going cloth.

Looking forward to your comments - flame on!

Tell us what you think!

(134 days ago)

My two cents on gDiapers: we used them a little bit, and a messy poop was like the end of the world. THE END OF THE WORLD.

(134 days ago)

Something that strikes me as a benefit of cloth over disposable is that you buy how many you need and you're pretty much done. With disposables, there are countless trips to the store and countless plastic overwraps to be thrown away. Not to mention the shipping chain to get the disposables to the stores.

I knew nothing about cloth diapers when GirlWho was a baby. I used only disposables. If I had it to do over, I would give cloth a good, fair try.

(134 days ago)

oh god, this topic just started a flame-a-thon on one of san francisco's parenting blogs. my conclusion? all the solutions are shitty (ba-dum-bum).

for the record, we're doing (mostly) cloth, via a service, less because we think it's the best environmentally but rather because we simply can't stomach the idea of so many hundreds of diapers full of our baby's poo living on for millenia.

(134 days ago)

God, I would love to join a diaper service. But there aren't any where we live (aka the middle of nowhere). We tried a few types of "all in one" cloth diapers when our daughter was still breastfeeding and the blowouts were amazing. It was enough to move to disposables.

I really would like to find a cloth system that works for us. Like a diaper service or cloth diapers that don't leak. But we can't afford the research phase of finding what works for us. It feels unfortunate.

(134 days ago)

Cloth weren't an option at the daycare centers we looked at. Is that different in the cities?

(134 days ago)

We have had great luck with Kushies cloth diapers for daytime use but use disposables for overnight (holds more pee) and when we are out with the Dragon for more than a few hours (convenience). There have been a few blowouts but since they were not on me I found them comical rather than annoying.

I'm with the folks who think cloth are better for the environment as water is technically renewable as long as it isn't removed from the system. We wash our own and as long as I am adjusting the water levels to get just the right amount in there I think we are doing pretty well. But I certainly don't begrudge people who make different choices.

Our day care is OK with cloth, though their rules say we should be using a service, they have never brought it up.

(134 days ago)

Ylime - I hear ya on being in the middle of nowhere. That's precisely where I was when GirlWho was born. I had no choice of anything. The only babyfood was Gerber. Maybe 10 kinds of diapers. At least there was no anguish over what to choose.

Joe Mama - I've had GirlWho in a number of different daycares in two different states - none would allow cloth. CDCs (federal child care) don't allow them either, IIRC.

(134 days ago)

"Cloth weren't an option at the daycare centers we looked at. Is that different in the cities?"

Depends! (ha, another diaper joke). At our old daycare in Portland, they took cloth (but hated us). In both places in Boston, no-go on cloth (because Bostonians, as a rule, hate the earth).

(134 days ago)

There's always early toilet-training: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/09/nyregion/09diapers.html?

(134 days ago)

If I might be judgmental for a moment: the people who decide to not use diapers at all are psychotic. It means spending absolutely every minute with the baby. I guess working outside the home is out.

At any rate, that sort of thing was only common in hot climates. In colder or mixed climates, people tended to potty train later.

On the subject of cloth diapers: do people find there to be more of a problem with diaper rash? My friend who used cloth diapers was forever treating her daughter's terrible diaper rash.

(134 days ago)

Never had a problem with cloth and diaper rash. Anecdotally, some folks claim that they can train kids earlier with cloth, but we didn't find that to be the case.

(134 days ago)

we do a mix of cloth and disposable- much like alan's system.

never had diaper rash problems even when we did either one exclusively- ie. the first few weeks we did all disposables cause the cloth ones were gigantic and then when she was non-mobile we did all cloth.

(133 days ago)

HOLY CRAP (as it were), I was not, for an instant, advocating early toilet training, just saying that I guess this is about the only time when it seems remotely like a good idea.

(133 days ago)

Huh. Parents magazine arrived today, and there was a man testing all sorts of cloth diapers.

(133 days ago)

HBD - your comment fills me with all sorts of unpleasant images.

(133 days ago)

I don't have kids but work in preschools. Many Montessori programs use cloth. Some will even take kids out of disposables when they arrive and use cloth throughout the day.

(133 days ago)

I use gDiapers and love them. I don't think their for everyone though. I saw them as a manipulative compromise to my diaper woe's. Husband and I had been arguing for years over the whole 'sposies vs cloth debate. G's seemed like a good middle ground, and from there it was really easy to sneak the ol' prefolds out and stick them inside the gPants instead of the flushables. It's a pretty good system, once you get the hang of it.

(133 days ago)

Erg. They're even.

(133 days ago)

Alan, I guess I should elaborate and say the guy was comparing three types of cloth diapers and charting their usefulness and enviornmental impact versus dispsables. Disposables won out once he actually studied the envioronmental impact, quoting a British study.

(133 days ago)

And, thanks to G's Depends joke, there are adult diaper ads from GoogleSense on my screen right now.

Considering my kids are now out of diapers (thank you jeebus), I suppose that's what I next have to look forward to.

(133 days ago)

I thought as much but I am as relieved as I am disappointed. I'll have to check it out at any rate.

(133 days ago)

Ann: don't worry, I didn't see you as an advocate. I just get a very intense reaction to those psychotic women. Since they all seem to live in Brookline and Newton, I feel like they reflect badly on me. It's very personal.

That's right, GX, Newton!

(133 days ago)

"Disposables won out once he actually studied the envioronmental impact, quoting a British study."

HBD, if that's the study I think it is, it's been widely criticized.

(133 days ago)

I use 7th gen because I've never had a blow out and my selfish that way. It's gotta work for me first - the environment comes second. I will deal with the guilt before I'll deal with poosplosion.

(133 days ago)

We used cloth exclusively until Daughter went to daycare. Virginia law mandates disposable diapers. I think it's the same here in Maryland. But, I still used cloth at home until she outgrew the prefolds. They lasted us 18 months, so I can't complain. We used them with ProWraps (diaper covers) when she was a newborn (1 month of diaper service) and then went to Dappis, which worked wonderfully for us and are a lot cheaper than most diaper covers. My Daughter was a bit of a butterball baby, and I think the Dappis work well with such babies, not as well with scrawny/skinny babies.

I've read arguments for both sides of the diapering line, as to which are better for the environment. Yeah, maybe it takes more water to grow the cotton, but I'm not replacing the actual diapers with every use. I used the same 4 dozen for 18 months! And, I have a front-loading energy-efficient washing machine, so I think I spared the earth some damage.

I think my daughter had less diaper rash with the cloth diapers. However, the disposables were used by her caregivers and it could be that they didn't change her as often as she needed.

I'm really excited to have an au pair with this baby so that we can exclusively use cloth diapers. In fact, I just ordered 4 newborn and 4 size small ProWrap diaper covers for him. I sold all my other ones on eBay once Daughter outgrew them. See, you can't resell disposables. Think of how many other people (if they resell those same covers) may also be getting use out of them. That's gotta be better for the environment.

I also picked up 7 brand new all-in-one(AIOs) cloth diapers on Freecycle (can you believe that--that's like $50-75 free bucks!!). I don't remember which brand they are, but one of the better brands. I haven't tried AIOs before, so I'm curious how it will go. They look nice, but I suspect I'll like the prefolds with the diaper covers more.

(133 days ago)

Oh, and I would not argue that disposables hold in blow-outs better than cloth. It depends on the diaper cover, I'm sure, but ours worked great.

(132 days ago)

Fuzzi Bunz Fuzzi Bunz Fuzzi Bunz Fuzzi Bunz!

we had *nightmare* rashes with cotton cloth. i realize this is different from kid to kid, but in our family cloth=butt red as a rose.

gDiapers= if you can keep the changing table in the bathroom, which we can't. also, the back closure=lots of leaking for infants who spend lots of time on their backs.

fuzzi bunz (polar fleece diapers) were awesome, no rash, comfortable for the kid, easy to wash and instant to dry. also, it was very easy to do part fuzzi bunz part disposables, which was not the case with gDiapers, which kind of had to take over your life.

look into fuzzi bunz! expensive set up, but if your kid is in one size for 4 months or more, they are cheaper than disposable.

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